Redeterminer messages

Submitted by DavidHowdon on

If I make a redetermination of a record it puts a message that I have redetermined it but then on some occasions it puts down a few second later that someone else (sometimes but not always the original observer) has also done the redetermination.  What's going on here, this does not seem the correct thing and feels confusing (not least because it attributed to someone an action they've not taken).

An exmaple here - https://irecord.org.uk/record-details?occurrence_id=141077

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Submitted by Ian Smith on Wed, 15/01/2025 - 11:40

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David Howdon I have the same experience as you. I sent the message below to iRec  on 7Nov. 2024 but got no response and it continues to happen. 

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 I am concerned at a re-occurring fault on iRecord.
Often, but not always, when I re-determine someone’s record to genus the iRec system reverses my redetermination and states it was I who did so. It does not alert me to its action and it is only by chance that I later notice the error. Apart from falsifying the record, it attributes the error to me. If I do not notice the falsification, others viewing the records at a later date would assume I made the error.
As an example, below are the comments recorded on iRec for the record coming from iNat:  38750349 - Patella - Causeway Coast and Glens, UK- C99704463 - 05/10/2024 Andy Goerdel - Ian Smith - 07/10/2024 (record is ok now after my 2nd effort) START at BOTTOM for step 1

You will see in step 2 that I went onto iNat to let the iNat recorder know my opinion with reasons.
Step 3 attributing it to me is a fabrication by the system.

4) Redetermination by Smith, Ian on 07/10/2024, 11:20:40
Record was redetermined as Patella [current determination].
Comment by Smith, Ian on 07/10/2024, 11:20:21
Second attempt to redet to genus

3) Redetermination by Ian Smith on 07/10/2024, 09:51:28
Record was determined as Patella vulgata.NOT TRUE!! This is the system reversing my first re-determination made 13 minutes earlier with no action by me)
Redetermination by Ian Smith on 07/10/2024, 09:36:41

2) Record was determined as Patella. (This was my first attempt to RE-determine)
Comment by Smith, Ian on 07/10/2024, 09:36:21
Message on iNat: P. vulgata or P. ulyssiponensis The latter is frequent in coralline lined pools such as this. A view of the foot and pallial tentacles is needed to differentiate. See species accounts at https://flic.kr/s/aHskqnXPqt and https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBDzLF Especially in the P. vulgata account the sections 'Identification of patellid limpets' 'key features' and 'similar species'.

1) Record entered by Andy Goerdel - Texas Master Naturalist, Good Water Chapter on 05/10/2024, 23:19:08
Record was originally entered as Patella vulgata.

Submitted by DavidHowdon on Sun, 30/03/2025 - 13:59

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It's not a massive problem just confusing (and there are lot of people very resistant to using iRecord so things like this to make it harder to advocate for use of the platform).